Btw, I love your new avatar, Giovanni323

Thanks, so how do I enable my signature to be shown on my posts that make lol cause i cant figure it out

In the Profile section, there is a sub-section at the top(ish) for Signitures, Avatars, etc.

Thanks for the help

Sincerely,

Jon a.k.a. Vincent Armsman

Well it seem that this topic has calmed down and everyone is atleast on somewhat sociable terms.
I wasn't able to respond to this till now, so here goes.

Lanys T'Vyl wrote:

Well, Bahlin. Not sure how to respond to that. "I have had players come up to me talking about things you have done In game that was not fair either. It seems that you wrongly accused a player of some action then you and another player felt like giving some payback." I mean, you come in, claim accusations and wont even name a name, say it was more than one person but now say it was only one.

True. I tryed to remain abiguous until I could post what was needed.

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"There is a few more things though. Simply for bonus points for me. The motive behind you posting this Lanys. Your initial post about your issues with CvC and high levels. It wasn't so much a question as though it was rant, right? It looked pretty accusational. So then you looked for another problem in the CvC rules and choose Vincent? Is that what you did?" Apparently you were not following the beginning of this thread as close as you thought you were. "Accusation: the charge of an offense or crime, or the declaration containing the charge." Wow, that was right on the money. But, my posts were not about making charges; they were about finding out if what was being done was within the CvC rules. 1: Valeria killed me with no RP involved, obvious epic level character, etc, so I questioned the CvC rules on it, but that was explained as "oh, you were in the Metro Con", so, fine, I get it. 2: Xyrusta follows my troll group into the Troll mission and attacks our group on the last map, effectively killing everyone except my character, and then informs us that she was after me to begin with, as a sort of OOC fun. I asked about it in game, talked to Dark Mage and such, and was told that it was also not against the rules. Fine, whatever. (Though, according to what B wrote, it was against the rules.) 3: "Using an unrelated alt to hire someone 16 lvls higher" My query had nothing to do with what Giovanni did to my group, but what he did after I got even. Hiring a 22nd lvl assassin (xXZebaXx) with an alt to kill lvl 6 characters. I asked how that fit into the rules... and never got an answer. "People who get killed by epic levels might not play if there isn't some controlling factor" pretty much covers exactly why I started this thread.

Most of what you asked is covered in the game rules. You only need to look at it and consider the set up of server to see the purpose of things.

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According to what you posted about the CvC rules, it seems that Dark Mage was wrong when he told me that Xyrusta was within the CvC rules, just as Zeba coming after my lvl 6 alt was also against the rules, so I guess you did answer my questions without meaning to, since you were not trying to be helpful with your post. It also means that when I attacked Celeste with my lvl 6 rogue, I did NOT break any rules, since we were the same level in a fair fight.

lol I can't believe you said that last line and really believe it. I know I don't.

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"Why complain about Vincent, when she has already decided on her course of action. The only reason I can see is revenge" For one, I did not mention the events leading up to my query so that someone would tell me what to do or "decide my course of action" for me. They were background to give details as to what I was asking and why I was asking it. My complaints about "Vincent" did not even occur until after he began posting half-truths, and such complaints were limited to giving examples as to why some people give him a hard time, such as the player (Giovanni323) ranting and screaming at people in Party chat, swearing at party members, stealing boss loot, and begging for potions, even after finally taking everyone's advice and making his own brewer. All of these were not mentioned by me until after Giovanni323 began making claims to the contrary, since they were not part of the initial events leading up to my query about the whole "hiring an epic lvl character" thing. Though, for the record, you already knew my "course of action" before you decided to come in and tell me what you wanted me to do. Telling people what to do like that only works in the military or with your kids (though not always with the latter), i.e. will only piss normal adults off. And, telling someone what to do after they already said they were doing it just makes you come off as the whole self-important patronizing type, to say it nicely.

Read the thread again. Your opening statement was accusational. Giovanni backed you up at the beginning of this thread. He didn't know what he was talking about, but he backed you up.
We all explained what was going on, then you go off on your rant again...

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Giovanni323 is on his alt and we are on a Beetle mission, and he logs out in the middle of a mummy fight, killing party members I assume on purpose, and then logging in his other alt to join another group he apparently had set up. So, since ooc killing is "okay", then I used the same character, found his alt (randomly, since I had no clue where he went), attacked, his party member jumped in, my party member jumpsed in, and we were all around the same level, and I won. To me, that's even. OOC wise, that's even steven. But, now, Giovani323 apparently hires some 22nd lvl person to kill our lvl 6 characters in RP, since xXZebaXx told me that he did in an "OOC warning". How is that RP? How is that within the rules? I tell you this. Ban me, whatever, but, if this continues, I will seriously kill all of his alts whenever I see them. As far as I was concerned, it was even. He tried to wipe our group in OOC, so I went and wiped him in ooc, using a character that was an even fight for his. Bringing in a lvl 22 now to start fights? This is my dilema. This is my new problem to be solved. This is my letter of intent. If he wont drop this, then I wont. Period.

You started this thread.
You started the claims against Giovanni.
You were the one who was willing to go so far that you would be banned.

and by the way...I can talk like that on the Metro forums because
I think me, Tala and Asgarath all have enough clout, power and have put enough work in metro faction/forum to determine who stays and who goes on the metro faction and the metro forum. We wrote that as a nice way of saying stop. Instead of ending and locking this thread, as tala wanted, I went against it. I wanted several things from it first.
I want you both to stay, but Im more than willing to watch both you either quit or get removed if you couldn't solve the issue.

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So, B, was this your attempt at a flame? I mean, you go on about how this thread "amuses" you, contradict your previous statements about how you wont believe anything without proof, accuse me of doing some mysterious thing to some mysterious person (though you initially said "players", not player), then accuse me of seeking revenge on the boards by asking about whether or not some epic lvl person being hired by an alt to kill a lvl 6 person was within the rules. Then, you also wont provide any proof, names, details, etc in your own accusations against me. Then that bit about what you think I will do as a response. And your "bonus point" question, which was just you accusing me of not having any reason for making this thread to begin with, when I obviously had questions on how the CvC rules worked on BoB, due to things that were happening in game. (I'll also note that no one even mentioned the actual rules until Bahlin decided to try a flame post at the end.) Oh, and still no email, heh. So, here we go, B. "I don't believe you. I wasn't there. If I saw some screenshots, then I would believe a bit more." Hehe.

Like I said. I don't need screenshots in this case. You came here on the forum, ranted and yelled and demanded things your way and you didn't care if you got banned for it.
Really it's quite funny, cause thats exactly what the person you insulted did.
Took a while for me to ask Xyrusta if I could use her name and I finally got permission from Xyrusta to post this.
When Xyrusta's player first joined the server, he went into the pharoh mission area. He ran into
you and Mephisto Keenshot. It seems you both had spawned something and he saw you were losing and needed help, so he went up and healed you. Unfortunatly, he spawned something too.
This required you all to run. Being new to the server, Xyrustas character at the time(who ever she was using) did not know that once you enter the pharoh temple from Central herbidious, you cannot got out. So, you, Mephisto and Xyrustas character died because xyrusta accidentally spawned some creatures. Supposedly you were all in an area way beyond your abilities aswell.
The next thing Xyrusta gets is a nasty message from you telling her that you'll kill her everytime you see her. Basically threatening here. Good OOC conduct there.
It's quite funny that the player of Xyrusta decieded to attack your party. Im not sure he considers it Even Steven yet. He even tried to help your party when he was in pharoh. Brand new player and you talked to him like that.

So, what you gonna do? Xyrusta has done exactly what you have done with Vincent.
You gonna apologize?
You gonna deny it?
You gonna quit?

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And, since you (Bahlin) finally DID answer my questions about the CvC rules and how they pertain to my examples, then it really does not matter to me if you are "amused" by making up false "accusations" without "proof", examples, names, or anything, because "Either way, I've pretty much already got what I want from all this."

There you go there's your proof.
I am entitled to believe Xyrusta on this more than I am you for alot of reasons.
Mainly because Xyrusta related this story to me as a failing of the server community. Conversation never even started with us talking about you. He couldn't understand why the DMs would let a player like you play on the server. Someone who was nasty, mean and malicious.
Also, while I can believe you about the things you said Vincent has done, I can also believe that Vincent would have done that for a reason. btw, I said I "can" believe you. It doesn't mean I do.
Also, as you said, your will to go so far as to be banned just to give pay back.
Vincent is a new player, as is Splike and a few others. I try to be patiant with them so I can help the, when I can. You on the other hand don't seem to care or even consider that.
When you sent me the screenshots about how vincent complained about how the party didnt help him, I immediatly dealt with Vincent. I took him to the side and talked to him.
This thread you started here on the other hand is neither neutral nor impartial.

If what you say is true then, Giovanni is not totally innocent from the incidents you wrote but nothing you did made the situation better. You decided to punish Vincent for his reaction to your teasing.
If I am inclined to believe the both of you, then it seems your's and Elphaba's teasing started this incident.

"Instead of ending and locking this thread, as tala wanted, I went against it. I wanted several things from it first. I want you both to stay, but Im more than willing to watch both you either quit or get removed if you couldn't solve the issue." "Lord Bahlin is the player who had you constantly writing" Well, so much for dropping it, eh? Well, Tala told me to stop posting, but Bahlin apparently doesn't give a crap and wants me banned (I say this because he has asked me to quit three times now in this thread, in addition to the above quote). As usual, Lord Bahlin1 is goading me into posting again on this thread by posting things that he has no personal knowledge about and doing so in a flaming post.

But, of course, Bahlin has decided to continue trash talking without any proof. Plus, its based on hearsay, not even something his character was part of or even something he was around for. Not even sure that I was around for it either, to be honest. But, Bahlin is "having fun", apparently thinking that if he continues to create problems that he will get rid of me.

Whatever.

"This player mentioned your name when they wern't even on the server anymore" Umm, I saw this player and spoke to him less than 2 weeks ago. Honestly, when Xyrusta (the character) first attacked my group in Troll, it bothered me until I found out who's alt it was, and then I just figured it was the player messing around and having fun. Dark Mage told me it was Zira's alt. OOCly, of course. Since we had an hour long convo with Lanys and Zira in tells about Industrious prior to me switching alts to help Splike with Troll, I just assumed he was just having fun and being dinky, kinda like how some people cast Phantasmal Killer on other people while they are resting. We were just chatting and getting along prior to the Troll group incident, so there's no reason I would even believe he told you such things, Lord Bahlin1. Pretty much why I keep asking for proof, which you don't have.

Going to ignore the whole "Giovanni/Vincent" confusion Bahlin seems to have here. I did not complain about Vincent until after Giovanni brought him up. Keep in mind, Bahlin, Giovanni323 is the player, Vincent is a character he plays. You of all people should realize the difference and not go confusing the two while trying to flame me. Though, you do make it a habit of mentioning the character names when you mean the player, even when the character name you mentioned was not involved...



"-Players are protected when they are non-CvC elgible, except by people within 4 levels. Combat within those 4 levels is the most fair and most people wouldn't complain about that (nor should they since BoB is a Full CvC server)."

Me: "It also means that when I attacked Celeste with my lvl 6 rogue, I did NOT break any rules, since we were the same level in a fair fight."

Lord Bahlin1: "lol I can't believe you said that last line and really believe it. I know I don't." Ironic, since the first quote about the CvC rules was from you, Lord Bahlin1.


"When Xyrusta's player first joined the server" Which was when? Months ago? Years ago? Even have a date for anyone to go by, establish some kind of timeline? Since you related earlier that he/she "recognized" my name from memory, then that would be Lanys? If so, that would also be about three years ago when Lanys was on Pharoah. I don't even think Mephisto Keenshot was even a character at the time, just as I do not think I ever grouped with that name with any alts, and I know Lanys never went running around in Pharoah duoing with anyone. Lanys never hunted in Pharoah, since its not a rogue friendly place at all; too many undead.

Also, wondering why Xyrusta's player did not mention this during the hour long conversation I had with one of her/his other characters, Zira? I mean, we talked for a long time about his alt, Sauranna, who is leader of Industrious and he seemed very nice to me, for someone who (according to the word of mouth statements of Lord Bahlin1) did not like me. Rather surprised he did not mention all of that negativity to J-Cubed either, when J first brought my name up to him, or to me when we were chatting.

"Xyrustas character at the time(who ever she was using)" Poor little Bahlin. So sad. Still no proof and no names. Since Xyrusta/Zira's player told me that he would not be playing anymore, then I'm finding it difficult to verify your story, because you don't seem to know when this happened or who the character was I am supposed to remember. "I don't believe you. I wasn't there. If I saw some screenshots, then I would believe a bit more." Ahh, so this is your "rule" so long as it is not YOU who is making accusations? Funny how you contradict your "beliefs" when you cannot supply proof. Good for the gander, I say...


As much as I believe the whole thing with Giovanni323 to be over with, Lord Bahlin1 seems to want it to continue, too, so...

"Also, while I can believe you about the things you said Vincent has done, I can also believe that Vincent would have done that for a reason" Even taking into consideration that you actually mean to say "Giovanni" rather than "Vincent", I am still not seeing your point with this. I mean, he already said his alt Victor' did them and that he did them for his own reasons. Whether you decide to believe us both, since we both agreed on that, is up to you. Just not seeing why you mentioned it.

"Vincent is a new player" No, he's not. According to him, he has been playing on BoB for a couple of years now. And, I've never "teased" Giovanni323 in group chat until AFTER he's yelled at me with his caps lock, swearing and such, something he never denied.

"Read the thread again. You were told to stop the post by Tala and I told you to resolve it. Accusing Vincent of lying is not doing either" Read the post again and then you can read the thread. I posted about how I would respond to accusations, lies, etc, and then someone posted such things, and then I was told to drop it, before I could defend myself. So, I posted in defense of myself, much like I am doing now.

So, Lord Bahlin1, after you and luv2surfnet tells me to stop, you come in and flame me. Then, luv2surfnet comes in and tells me to stop again, and Lord Bahlin1 comes back after it was all dropped and continues flaming me with no proof or anything to back his claims, making up statements, claiming hearsay as facts, can't even name a character involved in the slander you proclaim, only a player who told me personally that he wont be playing anymore. At least when I have a beef with someone, I can recall my character at the time, name names, events, the date, etc, IF i don't have a screenshot. But, it was not even your character, right, Bahlin? Hmm... well, at least I only accuse people when I am involved, rather than just make flaming posts based on hearsay; hearsay I do not believe, mind you. No screenshots, no dates, no character names (other than someone I cannot recall ever grouping with, let alone running around as a duo in Pyramids, of all places) = no proof at all. In fact, it pretty much makes your posts nothing but poor attempts at flaming me. Oh, but Lord Bahlin1 has already repeated how he is just making these posts "for fun", because it "amuses" him, and then made a thread about how he wants to start a section for flame wars after mentioning , so really not surprised about it. "I am also curious and I think a different approach to the forums might be an idea worth trying. Having people fling their accusations till they are either tired or come to some sort of realization works for me." You even mentioned it in this thread. Except, we already "grew tired or came to some sort of realization", so what is your motive now? Oh, right, you are trying to get me banned, right? "you either quit or get removed" "Would you leave?" "You gonna quit?"

"Lord Bahlin is the player who had you constantly writing because I wanted to see what kind of player you are." Well, I can certainly see what kind of player you are, Lord Bahlin1. Someone who apparently does not like me, so resorts to accusations you cannot prove and wannabee flaming posts in hopes that you can get me banned if I keep responding. How's that for a "realization"?

You gonna apologize? Are you?
You gonna deny it? Are you?
You gonna quit? Are you?



On a side note, didn't you play a character in the Wolf Guard years ago on your original account, Sil Songwind? Hmm, all this talk about "years ago" is bringing up some odd memories...

I agree with Tala indeed, this post has gone to far. I am not that new of a player because I joined in August of 07 or around that time. This thread originally was with Lanys T'Vyl asking if it is CvC rp legal that Valeria killed her in Metropolis Consulatus. I was with Lanys T'Vyl, Damodar, Splike Goresplasher, and another anomonyous character/player. Xyrusta entered the area on the last map, hostile to all of us, and said "Run." He killed the whole party claiming he was only after Ripkill, and said he killed the rest of because of AOO. I do not believe Ripkill should be banned or should quit. And, none of you have any evidence that Giovanni323 exited the game in the middle of a mummy battle just to switch alts. There are numerous reasons that he exited.

1.) His computer crashed
2.) He needed to accomplish something that just came up
3.) His computer heated up and immediately was downed
4.) Internet failed
5.) He was greatly lagging and did not want something to happen to his computer
6.) He was downloading something and needed to exit to finish it
7.) There was a lightning/thunder storm and did not was a bolt of lighting to hit his computer

And many many more reasons....

Tala did say that none of us should continue the thread, but Bahlin, you did. I suggest dropping the conversation and continuing it in private messages. I for one and many more have had enough of this crap. If this continues the Metropolis Forums might tear down or something of the sort.

Simple as that, Lock the thread and drop the conversation.

it completely boggles my mind that this thread not only continues to exist, but continues to be responded to. how bout you spend as much time RPin as you do writing posts for this thread and maybe BoB might be interesting again.

Don't worry. This thread has been locked.